Saturday, August 30, 2008 (7:01PM) + Compose & arrange * This began as a prophetic sequence I played on the 414 in a worship service on Dec 8, 2004--nearly four years ago. I shared it with the other musicians, but nobody remembered it. I don't think anybody could hear me but me. It has come to symbolize Rivendell for me, so I think the title shall be, "Seeking Rivendell." * I have only this sequence, and the rest of the song needs to be written. Nothing comes to me when I play it on guitar, so I thought I might try adding other instruments and see if The Muse indicates a direction that way. - Scratch track: 414 - Scratch track: electric. Not sure if I want the T5 or RG. - Scratch track: Synth. I hear an arpeggiated synth line. > Try lots of synths: Pentagon I ana seq (vel) BT mks 80 seq (vel+mw) BT velo reso seq BT Analog Factory (Bass->aggressive, bright, simple, short...371 entries) 75BASS01 75BASS02 80SKREAM * * JP-8_48_FACT JP-8_38_FACT LOSTINSPACE NEPTUNEBASS OCTAVER_BASS p5unison prophetbass3 * R&J CLASSIC ROLANDBS SAWBASIC SF_BLUEMONDAYBS * * SF_FMBASS1 SF_ROBOTBASS SQRBASS02 * * SYNCHRO_BASS VELOPBASS (poly) Brass: BRASSY01 (poly) MILD (poly) * * SF_SYNBRASS5 * WARMY (poly) others: JOURNY * * PEARLS * * RICH_WATARU * * > The CS-80 and prophet synths seem to have velocity sens. But if the synth lacks it, can I route the velocity data to some parameter? > Not sure if I want polyphony yet. The tone may be more important. Sunday, August 31, 2008 (1:52PM) > I believe I have narrowed it down: 80SKREAM SF_BLUEMONDAYBS SQRBASS02 MILD JOURNY PEARLS RICH_WATARU I saved each as "* copy" in a close configuration. To narrow further, I will need more instruments present. - Scratch drum track. > Create a Battery 3 Pop Kit : Copy love_and_truth_popkit_c.kt3 to rivendell_popkit_c.kt3. Samples could not be found because the kit was saved with relative sample paths. Save the kit with absolute paths. : Now, can I remember how to set up a drum map? Piece of cake (see setup_drum_map_a.png). Sonar remembered the drum map I created, so it was already in the MIDI output drop-down list. I like Sonar! > Set up a 16-bar step-sequencer clip. I am shooting for a sound similar to Hillsong's Highest. I have a long way to go, but I love this Battery 3 Pop Kit! - Scratch bass track. > Fender thru Aphex 207D with MicLim via S/PDIF. Add a little compression & EQ in the box. Sunday, October 5, 2008 (12:58PM) - twelve string. I have spent a lot of time playing this song on the 555. Several ideas have come to me on it: idea_08sep2008.mp3 idea_a_09sep2008.mp3 idea_b_09sep2008.mp3 idea_c_09sep2008.mp3 I don't think the entire song is defined on it, but much direction can now be attained. > Record what I have via the AKG C414B XLII through the Aphex 207D via S/PDIF. Use the Reflexion Filter on the mic. > Oops, time to go sailing...very elvish! Tuesday, October 7, 2008 (7:27PM) > OK, I got the scratch track recorded. But, since it does not follow the pattern of the rest of the instruments, I recorded it with no reference. I was surprised to find that my ideas on the 555--which I had thought were incomplete--fill 7 minutes. I think I can finish the road map with the 555. There are changes in meter (4/4 to 6/8) and possibly tempo. Sunday, October 12, 2008 (12:12PM) > I've been practicing on the 555. The song shall be mostly at a tempo of 175 BPM (faster than the 150 originally programmed) except for a short legato phrase in the middle. I am having to work at being able to play this fast with the metronome, so more practice is in order. I think this track shall form the foundation upon which the rest of the song is built, even though it is rhythmic rather than lead and harmonic rather than melodic. > I got another scratch track recorded. During the legato phrase I just tried to ignore the metronome and play as felt. It is not a final track, but it has some magic in it. I have a strong strumming hand these days that has some skill and subtlety, so this is a good day to take advantage of it. Yes, I think I have found magic. Sunday, October 19, 2008 (8:30AM) - T5 scratch. I have made sufficient progress on a lead guitar line to warrant recording a new scratch. > T5, pos 4, bass & treb at nominal, volume full. GSP1101 with patch Rivendell_T5_b.gsp1101p, fortunately, the buzz is not present (an electronics demon I have been chasing for a couple days). > The song shall end with the T5 playing the melody solo. I guess it expresses the loneliness I feel in my search for Rivendell. This brings the song to 7:40--perhaps the longest in my repertoire. Yes, with Join My Voice with Heaven at 6:31, this is the first to break the 7-minute barrier. > By the way, I am exceedingly excited about the song--especially the second chorus. The part is hard to play there, but the energy is overwhelming. I have not felt like this since Rain & Wind. Friday, October 31, 2008 (1:41PM) - Bass scratch. I have been fiddling with the bass line for a couple weeks now, but have not developed it to the point of making it worth recording. Nevertheless, I want to record something before I have to tear down the setup. > Setup: Split the bass between two paths via the direct box. : The first path takes the parallel signal through Mission Control (RP20) using the patch, "Wills Killer Bass" with no effects switches engaged. This is what I use to monitor. : The second path is clean. The DI to the Aphex 207D with the MicLim engaged then to S/PDIF. This is not monitored, but it may produce a better sound using VST plug-ins. I would like to try Craig Anderton's technique with the multiband compressor. : Funny. The two channels are out of phase, and the effected one is delayed by about 160 samples, or 3.6 ms (see bass__phase_a.png). Better watch out if I try to combine them in mix-down! Monday, November 3, 2008 (7:09PM) > I am sort of stuck and don't know what to do next. I don't like what I am hearing, and I am not sure how to fix it. I could try a drum scratch, or, perhaps, rerecord the T5 and bass and get them coordinated with each other and, especially, with the 12-string. I think that is the approach I shall take. Wednesday, November 5, 2008 (8:07PM) : Got another T5 scratch in--enough to lob the ball back into the bass' court. This is the "ninety-five percent perspiration" phase of arranging. Friday, November 14, 2008 (8:17PM) : Got another round on the bass. I like the way this is working. Challenging riff from 2:03-2:50 since I made a hole for the bass on the T5. I noticed that Mission Control does something for the picking technique that is not easily duplicated elsewhere. It might be the tube and/or the compressor. # I believe the dual-input was the way to go. It results in a fuller low end with all the high-end magic offered by Mission Control. Saturday, November 15, 2008 (10:26AM) - Drums scratch. > I lost the P-120 with the labeled keys. Time to label the Yamaha MM8. By the way, the labeler is the Brother PT1400. I have gotten a lot of mileage out of it and love it. Use 1-inch Flexible ID Tape (TZ-FX251) for cables and 3/8-inch laminated (TZ-221) for the piano keys. : Of course, the last label to place is the most important: Cow Bell! 2.5 hours labor. : Got a quick groove slammed in. It rides the toms during the first verses and is inspired by that in HillSong's "Highest" (a fine expression of Rivendell). : The slow melody that inspires the song is lost in the instrumentation after the first verse. Introduce a quick organ to carry it. Use the Yamaha MM8 patch "040 Rock Organ". > 9:30PM. 6.5 hours of work on the drum scratch, and I am half way through the song...95% perspiration... Sunday, November 16, 2008 (1:31PM) : I tried the Craig Anderton multiband compressor on the bass scratch. I dropped the filter crossover and the threshold on the lowest band a bit, and I like it. The lower band keeps it tight and punchy while leaving the nice transient tube-effected frequencies alone. Hmmm...may have stumbled onto something here. > Timing issues with the scratch tracks are really interfering with the arranging process. I intend to retrack them (555, bass, vocal), but the first one I track will be thrown off by the timing of the others. In the best scenario, I can correct the timing so that tracking has a good reference. Check out AudioSnap. : Try the 555 on the groove in the Rock section. Not bad. I had to section off the smallest repeating groove since some got slaughtered. Then a little fiddling with the threshold to avoid some artifacts. It sounds rather nice when soloed with the drums (the true timing reference now that I have a part). See quantize_555_a.png. Unfortunately, Sonar won't let me convert this clip into a groove. Read help (last resort, as always). : Somehow I messed it up. Discard file, restore backup, and start again. I got the impression that I cannot convert an AudioSnap clip to a groove, that I must convert the unaffected clip to a groove with the groove tool. But its interface was awful--it slaughtered the timing, and I could not figure out how to fix it. : Another failed attempt working with the loop construction window. The first beat is late, and I cannot seem to delete it from the groove. Also, even though I detect transients, the audio is not stretched--the timing errors remain. AudioSnap did the job correctly, but I cannot enable groove looping on the clip. : See quantize_555_b.png. The purple marker has been misinterpreted (it should fall on beat 3 but has been quantized to 3-and). Right-click, disable the marker, and the problem usually disappears. Alternatively, hover the mouse over the stem until it highlights, then move the marker to stretch the audio. So the entire clip can be AudioSnapped, quantized, and errors fixed fairly quickly. That is, forget looping. : The bass snapped in immediately with a threshold of 91%. But I really should have been more careful about timing when tracking the scratches. : More tedious work on the 555 snap. : The whole thing feels like a cacophony. Walk away for a while. Tuesday, November 18, 2008 (6:08PM) : OK, let's come back to it now. # Listen. I like everything up to 2:15 where the timing issues show up (I have no AudioSnap treatment until about 4:00). I like the tom line on verse 5. Something falls apart in the grand finale (chorus 2-4). # Save rivendell.cwp.~2008-11-16-20-18-00-547 for easy retrieval since I am about to slaughter the file. : The first trouble is during the lyrics. Tackle it! The 555 lags the beat by 15%--rather glaring. How did that happen? Split the clip, Grab it, and slide it over. That worked well. Disable AudioSnap on the following clips and slide them also. A small handful of edits like this, and the 555 is lined up. Why did I get so confused? It was a long, hard weekend with 12.5 hours invested in the drums (not to mention the 2.5 hours labeling keys). Clearly, this song is going to a level I have never been at since a drum part is typically done in 10 hours. I was in uncharted territory and weary. : Print the entire help topic on AudioSnap and read it offline. 22 pages. No more swinging in the dark! : The bass is no longer the problem in the grand finale. It matches the metronome. The problem is the drums. Clone the drum track, mute the copy, and pare the part down to the essentials. Now write the bass drum line alone, then add one element at a time while looping to check for cacophony. : I like the song again! This is rock like I've never done rock before. Better quit for the night while I'm ahead. Wednesday, November 19, 2008 (7:00PM) + Track * Bass. - Now that I have a serious drum scratch, the bass feels much more defined. I feel what I am supposed to play, and it feels and sounds invigorating. The blood, sweat, and tears was worth it. I filed my fingernails (partly because I broke one), and I have callouses, and I am ready for business on the bass like I have not been in years. Truly, this instrument is in the driver's seat! - Well, I am all ready to track, and the metronome does not work in recording mode! But it works during playback! The problem disappears if I am not punching in. So I can still make multiple takes and slip-edit the clips later. Wrong, it happens without punch also. Stop-start Sonar. Worked once & failed. Very frustrating! > Clone the drum track and write a metronome part, freeze it. Phooey! That requires a seperate drum kit. > Route the metronome bus to output 3/4, to the mixer, back to input 3/4, to an input, and record the audio. For some reason, recording one stereo channel allows the metronome to work. Now I can really measure the latency! Hmmmm...about 20% of a beat...sound familiar? At 175 BPM this is 70 ms...not the audio card. Wait...that was while recording. The waveform suddenly lined up after it stopped recording. OK, more questions than answers. Somebody shut the engineer up and go get the bass player! - OK, I thought I was ready to track. But I need to relearn some parts, unlearn others, and invent some more. Man, I am working my TAIL off on this song! And, of course, in the middle of it, I got hit with an explosion of inspiration for The Eyes of a Child--notes came in a dream Monday morning, and the dam burst. I can't keep up. Lord, if you want me to develop what's in my heart, I need you to help me find the time. Thursday, November 20, 2008 (10:02AM) > Export rivendell_practice_bass_d.mp3 to play along with throughout the day. : A couple run-through's and I am feeling the thrill. Unfortunately, though, I am getting close to blister territory on the picking fingers. > Well, I would like to track, but my fingers hurt too badly. They aren't blistered, but perhaps bruised. Play with a pick to at least solidify the part. - 6PM. A couple ibuprophen, a little endorphine (treadmill), and some ice on the finger tips...to paraphrase Peter Jackson, "pain is temporary; music is forever." I am going for it. > 6:30PM Layer 3 is a SSSSMOKIN' take...and I have fingertips left (at least not enough pain to quit). Reload. > Layer 4 is also great. I believe we have a bass line. Friday, November 21, 2008 (3:20PM) > Render seeking_rivendell_scratch_a.mp3 Saturday, November 22, 2008 (2:50PM) - Comp & process the bass line from to 001 111 take 4 011 113 take 3 013 end take 4 > This presents a challenge: the bass resides on two tracks, and they are out of phase. I could use AudioSnap to fix the timing on take 3 at 111, but how do I apply that to the other track? > See bass_process_a.png. I set the DI channel to provide the low frequencies with the multiband compressor and the Mission Control channel to provide everything above 500 Hz. The DI channel is inverted, and the MC channel is delayed 3.5 ms. It sounds good, but I don't know if it is worth the extra work. I will have to check back. Actually, I think I get very close to the same quality by simply applying the multiband to the MC channel with active compression only applied to the low band (other bands are simply EQ). > I am not happy with the solo (97-121). It is sloppy. Truth be told, I really did not have it down and assumed I could pull something worthwhile off in a couple takes. Bugger! Well, fortunately, I left everything set up without touching any knobs or faders, and, beyond that, my fingers did not blister and can stand another go at it. Got it--a half dozen run-throughs and one take. > OK, now I really believe we have a bass line. And I am quite happy with the MC channel with the multiband. Mission Control was set on the patch "Wills Killer Bass" with volume full, balanced line to mixer, no other modifications. The bass had the mid boost in with bass & treble both at 7:00 (slight boost) and pickup pan at 4:00 (mostly bridge with some neck pickup mixed in), volume full. And, as can be heard, I played with fingers for most of the song but switch to the pick for the middle jam. See bass_process_b.png (notice DI channel is muted, and EQ is not active). Render seeking_rivendell_scratch_b.mp3 Archive and hide the DI bass track. Sunday, November 23, 2008 (3:00PM) * T5 - Half-dozen run throughs. New ideas after drums & bass. Fingers work, but magic not there yet. Thursday, November 27, 2008 (11:05AM) - Add some drum and bass edits. > The first three layers of the bass tracks are not used. Discard them. They can be recovered from seeking_rivendell_scratch_b.cwp if needed. > Try tightening up the bass' timing in B1 (97-113). I have now read the AudioSnap help and know enough to really ruin the thing. : Revert to rivendell.cwp.~2008-11-27-11-11-29-406 if trouble happens. : Split the bass clip to isolate the section. : Freeze drums, and enable AudioSnap on the bass clip. : Set sensitivity to half note. Visually inspect all marker. Had to move one to the true transient. Ensure they are all close to beat 1 or 3 (half-note quantizing). : Quantize to half-note resolution. See quantize_bass_a.png. Very nice! No more hassle. However, A-B listening with drums only shows that the bass was not really that far off. AudioSnap helped, but the main problem is the 555. > The 555 is ahead of the beat in this section. No AudioSnap. Isolate the section with clip splits, and nudge in loop until visual and aural timing is right. > Continue checking bass against drums. : First half of song is now flawless. : Some significant timing issues show up in the last chorus. Out of time, have to go. Friday, November 28, 2008 (7:19AM) Actually, when I turn the metronome on, they no longer seem significant. The drum part does not keep a steady beat here, and that gave the illusion of timing errors. # Wait! I found one within chorus 3; this one sounds pretty sloppy. Isolate with clip splits. The sensitivity slider does a poor job at enabling markers--too many disappear. It seems the idea is to use the sensitivity and threshold sliders to get as close as possible to the markers I want to use, and then enable and disable manually. Threshold = 91% is a start. See quantize_bass_b.png. The markers with the square heads have been manually "promoted." Quantize to eighth notes. Sounds excellent! I am finally functional with AudioSnap! # The third beat of chorus 4 was missed, and it is important. Steal a copy from chorus 3. See quantize_bass_c.png. Note that automatic crossfades is enables (button on track window toolbar). # The fourth chorus sounds moderately sloppy (see quantize_bass_d.png). Quantize to eighths. One of the markers went the wrong way, so I had to drag it to the proper location. But, other than that, it was a snap, and it sounds definitely better. That completes the bass line, and the boys are awake. Time for WAFFLES! Saturday, November 29, 2008 (3:58PM) - Just spent an hour and a half creating the T5 part for the B1 section. The challenge was complementing the bass solo without upstaging it. I even managed to reinforce what the 555 was doing there. Very happy with it. > I think I am having trouble progressing with the T5 because something is missing: a keyboard. I feel it most acutely in the grand finale. : Here is a handy setup. See route_keyboard_a.png. I am using the sound of the Yamaha MM8 (040 Rock Organ). With the routing shown, I can work in the roll window just like a soft synth, even auditioning the part with the scrub tool. MIDI notes are sent out the port to the synth, and the sound returns at the audio input. : The one thing I dislike about this patch is its ignorance of velocity, which I would like to use to add a little dimension to the part. Try some other sounds in the MM8's "keyboard/organ" category: 024 Clean 041 1967 Keys 043 Compact For now, I think "024 Clean" offers the best combination of sound and flexibility. Hard velocities on low notes accentuate the fundamental. On high notes they bring a shrill that cuts through the mix. By the way, the number is that within the category. The absolute voice number is the category number plus 16 (so prime path is voice #39). Sunday, November 30, 2008 (9:29AM) : In the cold light of morning, I am having second thoughts about the organ. I begin to wonder if I want strings of some sort. Also, the T5 line has some fast riffs that are challenging my fingers. These issues bring tension to the project as I am tempted to move faster than I probably should. And yet I think this song is progressing slower or, should I say, taking more work than anything I have done to date. Curious...check the log. Sure enough: Production Hours to Date: 56 I think my record is 50 hours. Am I getting more discriminating as a producer? Or is this song particularly demanding? Am I thinking too hard about it? Not sure. But I just listened to the second half with chills all over my body, so I think I am still on the right path. : OK, how do I move forward? I now have enough keyboard to provide the proper ambience on the T5 in the grand finale, but I do not have enough T5 to write the entire keyboard line. Phooey about that wimpy strings stuff--this is a ROCK song! Move the keyboard over, plug both in at the same time, and get notes on both. See dual_scratching.jpg. Besides, it is a perfect day to dive into this stuff. See backyardinwinter.jpg. Route the MM8 thru a DI box and the Aphex to separate from the T5. Go with patch "024 Clean". : 3:29 PM. I now have a decent scratch T5 with a decent printed organ track. Project folder is 1.9Gb. Render seeking_rivendell_scratch_c.mp3. Long day...95% Saturday, December 13, 2008 (3:27PM) - I need some variation between the two similar sections A1 (bar 57-73) and A2 (bar 295-316). I just spent an hour loooping A1 over and over finding a simpler yet expressive sequence. Unfortunately, I simply have not had much time lately to devote to it, but I could feel the writing and arranging happening in my head while I went and did other things. Also, my left index finger hurt and needed 2-3 days to rest. But it is strong now! > Capture ideas in track 27, "T5 scratch E". > Another sequence for the great climax at 234-240. > Nail down the super-sequence, A2, at the end. > At this point, every note has been defined. Now I just need to practice. It is a very challenging part. Sunday, December 14, 2008 (11:45AM) - Track the T5? > After a couple run-throughs I think I am ready to track, but I am not sure. Do I have the mastery of the part to add the nuances I want? Should I practice more? Will I compromise the inspiration if I work it too hard? Reboot, go eat lunch, pay the bills, and...hmmmm...GO FOR IT!!! > Setup: : T5. Switch position 4 (both PU's parallel, if I recall). : The Starship Bridge (Digitech GSP1101). Patch RivendellT5d.gsp1101p (added delay and reverb to foot switches so I can record dry). Turn delay and reverb off, set volume to full. : Through mixer main left (mono). : Sonar: set up a track with input-echo on but no output buss (I don't want the dry sound going through the audio engine). Insert and aux send to create enough delay to maintain inspiration. Route a little of the channel and the delay into the existing reverb for now. : Annoyance: the buzz showed up after lunch. It disappears when I touch the jack or the pickup but not the strings. After some internet research I learned the T5 later received a string ground in the design to fight it. Taylor sent me one, and I need to install it now. Remove back: It already has one. Huh? The string ground leads to a fuse that measures an open circuit across it; I think this is the low-current fuse that protects the player from shock (mic to lips to hand to strings to jack to shield to ground). It is soldered in, and I don't have a replacement and don't want to mess with it. # Plan B: a static bracelet connected to the jack. Radio Shack, $12. # 5PM. The bracelet has a 1-M resistor in line and does not work. Bypass the resistor. IT WORKS!!! See anti_buzz_bracelet.jpg. The bottome end of the lead is connected to the jack. > Got a take in, but I am relying on more takes to polish up the hard parts. > The setup leaves something to be desired! If I want to hear a previous take while punching in, I have to route the track to the master bus. But then I have two versions of the dry sound if I leave input echo on, and the balance is out of whack. If I turn it off, then I don't hear myself. : Idea: set up a dummy track just to route my input to the effects. This track will not record but will leave echo on. The recording track will have it off. See t5_dummy_track_a.png. : Another problem: I cannot get Sonar to overwrite or mute only the last layer--it mutes or overwrites all previous layers. I guess I should decide what section to record, and forget about hearing the previous take. See mult_layer_punch_a.png. > Well, I thought I defined every note, but there was a hole at 203-210 (the eerie bends coming off the hyperspeed triplets in the superjam). Work it to death. Iron a shirt to rest. 7:30 My playing feels completely uninspired and full of mistakes. > 8PM I managed to squeeze a second layer together. But I now find myself battling a loss of confidence--the notion that I just can't play guitar worth beans. I don't seriously believe it, but it is affecting the way I play. There is something about the crucible of tracking that exposes every little gap or flaw that rehearsal simply glosses over. And yet some of these flaws did not show up until now. Perhaps I have overworked, having erred when I failed to define that one sequence. > 8:35 See t5_takes_a.png. I have three basic takes with a couple extra layers for good measure. The last had the inspiration--I don't where it came from, but I can guess (thanks!). OK, I am satisfied that I can comp a good part out of these layers. What a day! Time for bed. Tuesday, December 16, 2008 (3:54PM) - Build composite track. > Method: Split clips and copy them into a blank layer that holds the final piece. Enable automatic crossfades with "slow out/fast in". > Select the comped layer, bounce to clip, clone the track, archive the original track, delete the raw clips out of the new track. Now Sonar will read the T5 part from one continuous wav file and will ignore the dozen others. > Add and build a track volume envelope. > Render seeking_rivendell_scratch_d.mp3 > Oops. It just occurred to me that when I bounced the comp layer to clip I overwrote the individual clips. They were only copies, but now I cannot go back and see which clips were used for which sections. If I decide to do an edit, I will have to rebuild the comp layer. And I have some edit ideas already. Fortunately, the split points have been saved, so it should not be too hard. Or, I wonder...can I get the clips from a backup? Yes, the sequence is...phooey, open the backup, copy the clips, paste them into the track, etc... Wednesday, December 17, 2008 (7:41PM) - A couple more edits on the T5; a little more automation on the 555 and bass; a little more general mixing. > Render seeking_rivendell_scratch_e.mp3. Also, I love playing this song. Make a practice track for playing the T5. > At this point, I have some decisions to make: how hard do I want to work on other tracks? Drums? Organ? Vocal? 555? The song seems to be really coming together...or am I just sick & tired of working on it? The effort is now at 74 hours. * I don't think I need to bother tracking the 555 or the vocal. The scratch tracks are working quite well. On the contrary, move on to fine-tuning. + Fine-tune the arrangement. * Drums. - Well, I pulled the keyboard over, unfreezed the synth, opened everything up, and now I can't find any holes to fill. Wait...there is some motion the drums can add around 219. That's about it. - Freeze synth, listen in dim-solo mode for any anomolies. - Adjust levels. I am driving the bus compressor and limiter too hard. Oops, not so easy: I have automated faders. Now, how do I shift an envelope again? Ah, envelope offset mode (automation tool bar). Phooey! Forget all that. Reverse the order: set the limiter before the compressor. No, then I can get digital overload since the compressor can actually add level (saw one peak at +0.9 db). Raise the compressor's threshold a bit so it is running at about 3-db reduction. The +3-db peaks are OK since they cannot clip (64-bit math). I think the objectionable sound came from driving the limiter too hard. Back off on the "boost." Better. See buss_compression_a.png. - The 555 has a fingerstyle part in V4 that needs a 5-db boost, but it overlaps with the last strummed note before it. The "proper" technique would be to create a separate track since it really is a separate part. Instead, I found a nice trick: use a clip envelope to give the boost. That way, the strummed note (from the preceding clip) is unaffected. See clip_envelope.png. Friday, December 19, 2008 (10:06AM) + Mix. * Mix A. - Very happy with mix on the Behringer Truth 2031A's with subwoofer included. - M-Audio DX4's. Very nice. Toms in V5 are a little sharp but not worth editing at this point. - Cheap PC speakers with subwoofer. Good. The sharp toms are not evident here. The soaring high note of the T5 fails to resonate in these as it does elsewhere; these are basically high tweeters with a low woofer, and nothing to cover the mids. But the mix works. - PA system in mono. > Calibrate with Phil Keaggy's "Beyond This Day". Drop upper mids (3k) slightly. > 555 a bit brittle. Toms not sharp. Do I have enough effects on vocal and T5? Mono might do that; yes, it has that effect on the 2031A'a. Don't change. - Render seeking_rivendell_mix_a.wav & burn to CD. > Trim ends in Audacity. Export seeking_rivendell_mix_a.wav Export seeking_rivendell_mix_a.mp3 at 192kbps > Mute T5 & vocal, and render seeking_rivendell_backtrack_a.mp3 Saturday, December 20, 2008 (11:56AM) - It sounds good in the car and the living room. * Mix B. - Tweaks. > Wait. I had an idea yesterday: tweak the delay on the T5 so that the dry sound is panned right, a quarter-note delay appears in the center, and the half-note delay appears to the left, and the average energy is centered. Not as easy as I thought. I had to study the Sonitus Delay help files--especially the listen mode and mix controls. Then I needed to set up two of these in series. See t5_delays.png. > More reverb on the dry T5 signal. > I don't want the bass coming in so early. Boost the 555 in V1 by 2.0 db. > Wasn't that too easy? After so much toil on arranging and tracking, could I really just get the mix right in a couple hours? Perhaps I do more "mixing" than I realize while I am "arranging" and "tracking". After all, I recall being unable to do either without a suitable ambience on which to build. > Automate the T5 delay send to drop 8db it at the end. It sounds a bit tacky without the rest of the band. - Capture seeking_rivendell_mix_b_console.png and seeking_rivendell_mix_b_tracks.png - Process as before: seeking_rivendell_mix_b.wav seeking_rivendell_mix_b.mp3 at 192kbps seeking_rivendell_backtrack_b.mp3 at 160kbps production hours to date: 78.0 Tuesday, December 23, 2008 (1:59PM) + Almost forgot: I have had it in mind to place a background vocal part toward the end singing one of the elvish hymns. * Sources: http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/elbereth.htm http://www.booberfish.com/compendium/tolkien/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Elbereth_Gilthoniel * I struggle with this a bit, though. The hymns are generally sung to Elbereth (Varda, one of the Valar, basically an "archangel"), and I wish to avoid, as much as possible, the worship of angels since "there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Tim 2:5). I don't mind Tolkein's theology of middle earth, since it is fantasy, but I sing here of things very real to my heart and life and must therefore choose my "points of applicability" carefully. Varda's stars are a special metaphor for me, for they represent the things I see when given eternal eyes, as Sam got when, from Mordor, he saw a star: "There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach." LOTR, The Land of Shadow Indeed, having gazed on some through a telescope that I built with my own hands, I too have been "smote" by their beauty. * Next is the issue of pronunciation. I have read the guide in Lord of the Rings: Appendix E twice, but I don't have it mastered. * It is a shame that one the hymns (or a portion of one, that is) is not given in elvish, for it appeals to me: "We still remember, we who dwell In this far land beneath the trees The starlight on the western seas." LOTR, The Grey Havens * Another thought is, just sing Ah's. After all, I have no idea what the harmonies are or even whether I can make anything actually enhance the song. Thursday, December 25, 2008 (9:05AM) * Take another quick stab at it. - The passages under consideration are, [The version Frodo hears in Rivendell] A Elbereth Gilthoniel, (O Elbereth Starkindler,) silivren penna míriel, (white-glittering, slanting down sparkling like a jewel,) o menel aglar elenath! (the glory of the starry host!) Na-chaered palan-díriel (Having gazed far away) o galadhremmin ennorath, (from the tree-woven lands of Middle-earth,) Fanuilos, le linnathon, (to thee, Everwhite, I will sing,) nef aear, sí nef aearon! (on this side of the Sea, here on this side of the Ocean!) [The version Sam "sings in tongues" in Cirith Ungol] A Elbereth Gilthoniel (O Elbereth Star-kindler,) o menel palan-díriel, (from heaven gazing afar,) le nallon sí di'-nguruthos! (to thee I cry now beneath the shadow of death!) A tíro nin, Fanuilos! (O look towards me, Everwhite!) [The version sung by the elves on the way to the Grey Havens] A! Elbereth Gilthoniel! (O! Elbereth Starkindler,) silivren penna míriel (white-glittering, slanting down sparkling like a jewel,) o menel aglar elenath, (the glory of the starry host) Gilthoniel, A! Elbereth! (Starkindler, O! Elbereth!) We still remember, we who dwell In this far land beneath the trees The starlight on the western seas. - I sang two harmonies, the second centered around A-440. But the third, a third higher, is beyond my reach. Even with falsetto, I don't have enough breath or tone. Is that just a function of the day? Furthermore, even on the lower parts, my breath will not last through a full chorus, and I don't like the effect of the breaths. Perhaps here I shall make the elves, instead of deathless, breathless! No, double the track, and stagger the breaths. > OK, I have four parts: A solo melody sings the hymn until the chorus where three other parts join for the Ah's. One part joints in the first chorus (C2), a third joins in unison with the second for the second (C3), and the highest only sings the last (C3). They are rough scratch tracks, but I am satisfied that I have written the part. My voice was quite clear when I started, and that was good because it captured something I liked and guided the part. Now to reproduce it under proper recording conditions (I currently just hold the Beta 87 at the desk and accept whatever I get). > The portion of hymn I selected is, silivren penna míriel, o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Friday, December 26, 2008 (5:21PM) * Get 'er dun. - I have studied the pronunciation key in depth and believe I know how to do it now. But the key for "ch" is ambiguous; it uses "bach" as an example. The dictionary pronounces it as "batch," but the key says "ch" does not use the pronunciation as in "church," and "c" is used for "k" sounds. However, I did a google on "how to pronounce na-chaered" and found a great resource: http://www.lotrplaza.com/elves/sindarin/tolkien-elbereth.wav This is J.R.R. Tolkien, himself, reading the hymn. - I believe I have the parts recorded, but the ah's are, well, suboptimal. My falsetto just plain stinks. Time to try V-Vocal to maintain pitch. Not bad; this technique works well for ah's. - Process as before: seeking_rivendell_mix_c.wav seeking_rivendell_mix_c.mp3 at 192kbps seeking_rivendell_backtrack_c.mp3 at 160kbps - Screen shots: seeking_rivendell_mix_c_console.png seeking_rivendell_mix_c_tracks.png production hours to date: 84.0 Thursday, January 1, 2009 (1:36PM) + Summary * lyrics: there's a city where none can tell when I find her I will find myself by the water where wisdom dwells and I'll be singing in Rivendell silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath * Clean-up. - The project folder is 2.6Gb--far too big to leave as it. But I don't really have an archiving system. OK, here is an idea: create a directory "archive" on the CD drive and the external drive (music resides on the S: drive), and always have one copy on each. That way the S: drive is maintained, and I can purchase another drive later. - Delete all clips and tracks not used in the present mix (Mix C). > Leave the composite T5 clips, but delete originals. No, leave the rendered composite only. > Delete the metronome audio, but leave the track; I can rebuild it. - Close, reopen Sonar. Delete all audio not listed under File|Project Audio Files... Close, reopen the project to verify that nothing is missing. Listen. OK. - At this point, only the archived folders can open the previous mix versions (e.g., seeking_rivendell_mix_c.cwp) if any old data is needed. - The project folder is now 631 Mb. Much better. Sunday, January 18, 2009 (11:42AM) + Mix D. Rob rightly suggested a deeper reverb for the Sindarin lead line, and I have thought the delay was usually too low for the T5. * Sindarin Lead. - It is submixed with the background vocals, and I think it may be time to separate it. Naaahhh. Just add its own send to a new reverb. I want to replicate Elrond's Hall of Fire. > Try PerfectSpace convolution reverb. I had to search manuals to find out where the impulse responses were: C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Vstplugins\Perfect Space\ Here is a great one: ...\Real Spaces\Large Sanctuary \Sanctuary - XY Far Rear Center.wav > But I would like to see what's out there. Google "impulse response stone cathedral". No luck. Tried others. Altiverb offers their authorized users some great-looking files, but that is it. But the sanctuary that came with PerfectSpace sounds great anyway. Monday, January 19, 2009 (11:10AM) - Move the convolution reverb to the Sindarin bus so that all Sindarin vocals are in it. Remove the sends to the delay and other reverb. See hall_of_fire_reverb.png. * T5 delay. - Now that there are no other sources to the delay, I can increase it at the bus fader, since the channel send is automated. - Delay fader is currently at -3.7db. Increased to +0.2. - Add low-pass and high-pass filter to T5. Compensate for the volume loss with trim control +2.0db. * I recently bought Native Instruments' B4-II (an emulator of the Hammond B3), and I am tempted to fiddle with it, though I know an organ sound and the line played are heavily interdependent. - I read the manual. Again, I am really impressed with a Native Instruments product (the former being Battery 3). I am sure I want to switch to this now, but it will take some time. - Presets of interest: 10 Captain Phlanger 18 Woodstock (Variation) 41 A Whiter Shade... I think #18 comes closest to what I want and responds best to the existing data, though I tweaked the rotor speeds, accelerations, and spreads, decreased the mic distance, turned velocity fully on, increased key click, and who knows what else. Saved preset to woodstock_variation_a.b4p. See hammond_b3_a.png and hammond_b3_b.png. Still, I will have to edit some velocities and possibly some notes. The audio engine is having trouble staying on when editing. I can increase its reliability by turning off plug-in effects (reverbs, compressors, limiter, etc...), but that is mild hassle. - Edit a bit. - Automate the rotor speed and brake. Saturday, January 24, 2009 (4:34PM) - Spend an hour tweaking the organ setup, patch, and EQ. > Save the preset as woodstock_variation_c.b4p. See hammond_b3_c.png and hammond_b3_d.png. > The organ is shrill in the HD280s. Add a 3-db dip at 1800Hz at the synth audio channel. * Mix. - Process as before: seeking_rivendell_mix_d.wav seeking_rivendell_mix_d.mp3 at 192kbps seeking_rivendell_backtrack_d.mp3 at 160kbps seeking_rivendell_mix_d_128kbps.mp3 at 128kbps - Screen shots: seeking_rivendell_mix_d_tracks.png seeking_rivendell_mix_d_console.png Sunday, May 30, 2010 (08:26 AM) + "I've put this off for too long." The time has come. Certain elements of the song are SCREAMING at me for revision. * Load the project. Not trivial. After the last PC crashed and got rebuilt, the song would not polay properly (the bass line was corrupted). But now I have the i7Win7 PC (an intel i7-920 processor with Windows 7, 64-bit OS, 12Gb of RAM) and Sonar 8.5. No more excuses. For some reason it loads and plays fine, but it gives a message that it is calculating transients. The bass track, which includes some AudioSnap editing, may need some tweaking. * Start with the most major structural change: add eight bars at verse 4 to give it more time to develop. Use the 414 fingerstyle at this point, and crossfade to the 555. Play the 414 in first position (no capo, in D), though the 555 plays in 3rd (capo 5th fret in A). - Use insert | Time/Measures. Then slip-edit the clips. See insert_time_a.png. The song gains 11 seconds. - Track the 414. > Setup: : I am trying different strings: D'Addario EXP16 Coated phosphor bronze .012-.053 These strings are coated BEFORE winding. This seems to make them warmer, but they may deaden quicker than Elixir Nanoweb's because the gunk can work itself between the windings. But, for now, I like them. : Use the Shure SM81 (which has been begging for the opportunity since I bought it). Run through the Aphex 207D straight to S/PDIF with MicLim on (but never actually triggered). Gain at 3:00 (75%). Position 7 inches from 14th fret. See track_414_a.jpg. : Bass roll-off: On the mic, I prefer the gentler roll-off, but the one on the Aphex 207D sounds slightly better yet. : Solo fingerstyle! Shut down or mask everything that makes any noise. If I remember correctly, the studio gets down to 30 dBA. Oops, chair squeaks. > This is a surprisingly challenging part to play. The right-hand fingerwork is hard, but it is also hard to nail the timing and track going into a meter change. As the guitars fade, it is hard to hear the ride cymbal that gives the tempo reference. > After eight tries, I think the last two can be blended into what I am after. Yep, got it. : Oops, recorded at 16-bit depth. Not serious enough to retrack over. : Odd, Sonar stored two takes in the same WAV file. Interesting. I used a slightly different technique: Place in loop mode and record takes back to back. What I don't like about this is, The file contains a take I am not using--not the most efficient use of space. - Tweak the 414. > Recreate the patch used for Eyes of a Child. Load the VC-64 Vintage Channel. : Load patch "Press The Guitar." : Treble is WAY harsh! Drop 7.6k gain down to 4.0 db. : Compression too severe. Raise threshold to get about 2 db gain reduction. Still need to tweak attack and/or decay time. Yep. increase release time to 153 ms. : Save setup as 414_vintage_channel.fxb. See 414_vintage_channel.png I LIKE this sound! - Render seeking_rivendell_scratch_f.mp3. * Retrack the T5. There are only a small handful of critical spots, but I think I can improve on the whole performance with subtle additions. - Reproduce sound. > Need to calibrate the pedals on the FCB1010. Hold SW 1 & 5 while powering up. Oops, this resets all MIDI channels transmitting to 1. Reset (CC, expression, and note set to channel 2). Much better. Now I can get down to zero volume during the swells. > Not real happy with the delay. Tweak. See t5_delays_b.png. Rather complex. The output of one feeds into the other. Basically, the right tap needed to be louder and the left dropped a bit. Remember, I am only monitoring the delay as I play and recording dry, but this is more inspiring and better reflects where it is headed. > I just discovered: I have only played this song live once: On March 7, 2009, for the Peoria Rescue Mission. That needs to change. - Begin practicing. > I am in better shape than I hoped. Gamin With The Boys really got my fingers moving. Monday, May 31, 2010 (02:36 PM) > I am having the time of my life working up the T5 part, but my fingers can only take so much. Certainly, the decision to expand verse 4 was a good one. The T5 line just needed more time to develop something that intimate. And it feels poignantly intimate. I want to play it over and over, but my left index finger is going to bleed! This song works it really hard. : Oops, couldn't stop. Now my finger IS bleeding! Nail separated from finger tip. Bummer! Or, perhaps I should admit, I live for these moments! : New patch, Rivendell T5f.gsp1101p, routes through the external effects (dbx266xl compressor) and patches the volume swells to "Volume Pre FX" so that they do not reduce the send to the compressor. This is an important parameter for verse 4. See Rivendell_T5f_fx.png and Rivendell_T5f_midi.png Thursday, June 3, 2010 (03:52 PM) : The fingers have healed, and rehearsal is a blast again. My first run-through was the best. Sunday, June 13, 2010 (10:35 AM) - Yesterday was the day--I thought. > Mike brought his camera and helped with all aspects of video. : Upon Mike and Kim's advice I wore a dark-red shirt and faded blue jeans. : I faced the computer monitor standing as far back as I could get comfortably. : The medusa lamp served as a "Galadriel Light" to the right of the right speaker with the lights spread out as much as possible. This made the T5 look better than I have ever seen it. : Another tall lamp with no shade stood next to the left speaker. : The primary camera was near the left speaker about 5-1/2 feet high. Mike operated the secondary camera near the right speaker alternating different angles. > We spent six hours recording four tracks with two video cameras. But, for some reason, I never felt 100%. I got 8.5 hours sleep, but my eyes felt puffy and irritated, and I never felt completely awake and could not fully engage in the song. I was always struggling to play what I thought was needed, but there was no flow. > I just auditioned the four audio tracks. It will require 13 cuts, and three critical sections are thoroughly unsatisfactory performances. I know the final result will not be what I am after. I am going to have to can it and do it again. > What did I learn? : A second camera is critical. It allows cuts between different takes. Having Mike operate is very helpful as he can find great angles, and the operator motion is a nice compliment to the static primary camera. : If Mike is not available, I need a camera that sends its image to the PC screen dynamically so I can see what it is seeing. : Mike's choice of lighting and colors was much better than anything I could have done on my own. I am beginning to rely on others' input for my art. : A little internet search reveals, I need a Canon PowerShot that supports RemoteCapture. These range from $500 to $1000 on amazon.com. Ouch. > 4PM. I just played two run-throughs that were both better than anything I did last night. Yet this morning I felt out of it also. It comes and goes? 8PM Another two great run-throughs. Tuesday, June 15, 2010 (02:22 PM) - Let's try this again. I am feeling great. I set everything up and did a run-through with the lights and all, and it felt smooth and strong. Mike will be here in a bit. > Got some pics of the setup. track_t5_setup_a.jpg track_t5_setup_b.jpg track_t5_setup_c.jpg Friday, June 25, 2010 (06:52 PM) - I hardly touched any guitars for a week while the boys were here. But they are gone, and the journey now continues. The first question is, can I comp a good audio mix from the two-and-a-half takes and two patches I have from the video tracking? If not, then I need to track just audio until I have the song done, then build a mix for video. After a careful inspection, the answer is yes. - Comp the T5 part for audio--that is, the best aural presentation available without regard to video editing. beg end take 1 23 1 23 89 2 89 132 1 132 190 2 190 244 2 244 252 3 252 257 1 257 282 3 281 289 2 289 294 1 294 303 2 303 317 1 317 320 3 320 end 1 > Automatic crossfades (fast-fast) fixes a hiccup. > See comp_t5_ver3_a. Saturday, June 26, 2010 (01:19 PM) > Wait. I missed a feature I really want: strong quarter-note modulation (bow-wow-wow-wow-wow) in the first verse. Insert two bars from take 1 into the comp at bar 35-36. : Sonar crashed before saving. Can't kill process, have to reboot. Ouch. Recover from the autosave file. Some work retained. Move on. + Mix * Audio version. - Another crash. Post to forum: How do I kill the sonar process (sonarpdr.exe) after a crash? It won't let me do so through the task manager (Win7, 64-bit). I have to reboot every time, and that is a REAL workflow KILLER! - Tweak while monitoring on M-Audio DX-4's. Caught a segment where the 555 had to be dropped a db. - Tears. Must be doing something right. > I did not think I could take a project of this complexity across changes in computer, operating system, and Sonar version and pick up where I left off. See: - Screen shots: seeking_rivendell_mix_e_tracks.png seeking_rivendell_mix_e_console.png - Oops, the guitar delay lacks something...the half-note tap should appear in the left speaker and doesn't. Oops, the mix settings changed. Reset to match those in t5_delays.png. - Bump the main vocal a bit. - Process as before: seeking_rivendell_mix_e.wav seeking_rivendell_mix_e.mp3 at 192kbps seeking_rivendell_mix_e_128kbps.mp3 at 128kbps > Rendering to WAV takes 1.4 minutes. Nice! This PC rocks. > I can hear the degradation at 128kbps. Audiophiles will just have to buy the (real) MP3. - Create a backtrack. Simply mute T5 and main vocal. > Use the scratch MP3 preset (see documentation elsewhere). seeking_rivendell_backtrack_e.mp3 at 160kbps > That one is stereo. I also need one with a mono mix in the right channel (nothing in the left which is reserved for metronome-type information when I use it). Do it quick and dirty in Audacity. seeking_rivendell_backtrack_e_mono_r.mp3 Sunday, June 27, 2010 (10:11 AM) * Video version. - How do I go about this? If I use all three takes from the audio version, I have six video takes to integrate. A primary task is syncing each video with audio. > I am using Sony Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 9.0. It only allows up to four video tracks. So I need to plan the approach carefully. > Do I really need track 3? : Can't concentrate. Every time I start the song, I start rockin' out to it and forget what I am doing! Another sign that something is working as it should. There is only one thing on this earth I would trade time like this for, but I will not write here what I mean. : Here is something I don't understand: When I manually sync, the mix audio is delayed about two frames (67 ms) relative to the camera audio. See sync_video_a.png. : Uh-oh. "Vegas Movie Studio Platinum projects support up to four audio tracks." I have to use one audio track for the mix. Perhaps I can import video, sync, then delete the audio track? It does not look like it. Wait! It seemed to work when I popped up on the track controls area and selected "delete track". Save for later. : Convert bars to times in compnotes.xls. : I may be able to get all video in at once using "takes". No, I don't think so. : Problem: It won't let me add a fourth video track. Oops, the "text" track is a video track. OK, it worked. See edit_video_a.png. I now have an interface with which I can see all camera angles between takes 1 and 2 simultaneously. : Back to the original question: do I need track 3 video? There are two aspects to the question: (A) can I use video from takes 1 or 2 over the master mix without mixing over again? (B) is the audio performance for takes 1 and 2 so bad that I must use take-3 audio? If the answer to (A) is yes, I don't have to investigate (B). Here are the segments that use take 3 in the master mix with answers to these questions: segment (A) (B) 5:15 - 5:26 Yes. T1 Cam B N/A 5:33 - 6:07 No! Yes! 6:55 - 6:59 Yes. T2 Cam B N/A Blast! The second segment has a downward slide in take 3 that caught my attention as a critical expression, and it simply isn't present in takes 1 and 2. Lunch time. > Here is the approach: Edit all segments involving takes 1 and 2, group them into one or two tracks. This will clear a couple tracks to import take 3 for its segment. > Synching is actually pretty easy. Use a transient to line it up roughly, then nudge a couple frames at a time until it looks right (tracks can be shifted in integer multiples of one frame, about 33 ms). > Place markers indicating the mix take to help select. > Now, it is a matter of splitting and slip-editing. Done. See edit_video_b.png. Back this up as "rivendellvideo - edit takes 1-2.vf" before collapsing into one track. - Proceed to integrate take 3 in segment 5:33 - 6:07. - Done. After a marthon 7-hour session, no mixing was needed, and all video has been integrated and edited. I think I like Vegas! * Effects. - Here is what I want: > Beginning Swells: B&W, very faint. Fade to black before verse one starts. > Verse one begins with a dark mask, like a spotlight, and brightens to full, in color. > The end gradually applies a darkening mask that fades to black at the end. - I have some studying to do. Monday, June 28, 2010 (02:57 AM) - Can't sleep. I think I know what I want. > Add track effects to the video track. Include the "Black and White" followed by "Film Effects". Both use keyframe animation. See video_fx_a.png and video_fx_b.png. > Use the "circa 1908" preset for the "Film Effects" during the introductory swells. Cut to black. > Add a video track for the mask, which is the aperture (the "elliptical transparent to black" version of the "color gradient" media generator. > After the swells, Fade in from a small, dark aperture to a full frame while fading from black & white to full color. > Reverse the aperture effect at the end, fade to black, and cut to the outro frame. > Amazing how productive I can be at 3AM! * Rendering. - Now to fight with formats, aspect ratios, and all the &^@% that goes with video. > stick with NTSC DV (720x480, 29.97fps). The output gets truncated to 655x480 (just like with Gamin With The Boys), but that is OK since the original video is only 640x480. > Had to fight with title frame. It kept getting cropped so the video bleeds around the top and bottom. Use pan & crop tool to make it bigger than the output size, and tell it not to match size or aspect ratio of output. - Versions: > YouTube: NTSC DV (720x480, 29.97fps), MPEG-2. This should work for DVD also. rivendellvideo_720x480.mpg (344Mb) > A sample for my PDA: 480x320, MPEG-1. rivendellvideo_480x320.mpg (107Mb) * Try burning to DVD. - Create s:\will\songs\willsongs_burn_dvd.msdvd for all willsongs videos. Copy from the Gamin DVD file. Add rivendellvideo_720x480.mpg to the set, and burn. - The DVD works, but the video leads the audio by approximately 2 frames. I will have to create a new project file and shift the audio forward. > 2 frames did not cut it. Try 4 more (+6 frames, or 0.2 sec, relative to YouTube version). > Oops, I forgot: the renderer will NOT overwrite an MPG file; I have to delete it first. This means the 2-frame advance may have not been tested. > The 6-frame advance looks perfect. rivendellvideo_dvd_plus_6.mpg > The project currently occupies 8.0Gb, 6Gb resides in the video project folder. * Upload seeking_rivendell_mix_e.mp3 to soundclick. songid = 9333225 Total Production Hours: 119